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kony

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:22 pm
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:32:16 -0400, Alex Johnson
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  >> Minimum spec from ID is a Geforce 4 MX. A Radeon 9600 may not be
  >> substantially better than the TI4400. Radeon 9700 might be a
  >> more reasonable minimum spec for 1024x768 or higher res.
 >
 >Well, yes. I said for "acceptable performance". The review I saw
 >showed GeForce4 based stuck at 640x480, Radeon 9600 doing 800x600, and
 >Radeon 9800 and GF-FX cards handling 1024x768. I think I'll be in the
 >640x480 group with my current video card (a 64MB GF4). If I get so fed
 >up with that, I'll probably move to a Radeon 9800 Pro 256 (currently
 >$235 at Xtreme Gear). Except for Doom 3, and Half-life 2 coming up, I'd
 >still be using my old Pentium III with integrated graphics without
 >complaint.

I threw a GF4 TI4200 128MB, into same system I'd tested with a
GF3... card was overclocked but it was a particularly poor
overclocker and harder to mod for voltage increase
(!@#$%Chaintech!@#$%). The GF4 running at 280 core & 570 memory
was fast enough to run at 800x600 with Display Properties/Driver
set to "fastest"... Somewhere around here I also have a different
GF4 with only 64MB mem but that overclocks better, will be
interesting to see which helps a GF4 more... though IIRC it was
mainly an issue of the quality level, that a 64MB card was
limited to low quality mode.

At least now that we have demanding games it should help lower
resale value of many older video cards... even those who can't or
won't spend hundreds of $$$ on gaming will have a better chance
of playing older games.

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misfit3

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 3:36 pm
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kony wrote:
 > On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:32:16 -0400, Alex Johnson

 >
 >
   >>> Minimum spec from ID is a Geforce 4 MX. A Radeon 9600 may not be
   >>> substantially better than the TI4400. Radeon 9700 might be a
   >>> more reasonable minimum spec for 1024x768 or higher res.
  >>
  >> Well, yes. I said for "acceptable performance". The review I saw
  >> showed GeForce4 based stuck at 640x480, Radeon 9600 doing 800x600,
  >> and Radeon 9800 and GF-FX cards handling 1024x768. I think I'll be
  >> in the 640x480 group with my current video card (a 64MB GF4). If I
  >> get so fed up with that, I'll probably move to a Radeon 9800 Pro 256
  >> (currently $235 at Xtreme Gear). Except for Doom 3, and Half-life 2
  >> coming up, I'd still be using my old Pentium III with integrated
  >> graphics without complaint.
 >
 > I threw a GF4 TI4200 128MB, into same system I'd tested with a
 > GF3... card was overclocked but it was a particularly poor
 > overclocker and harder to mod for voltage increase

 > was fast enough to run at 800x600 with Display Properties/Driver
 > set to "fastest"... Somewhere around here I also have a different
 > GF4 with only 64MB mem but that overclocks better, will be
 > interesting to see which helps a GF4 more... though IIRC it was
 > mainly an issue of the quality level, that a 64MB card was
 > limited to low quality mode.

Interesting.

 > At least now that we have demanding games it should help lower
 > resale value of many older video cards... even those who can't or
 > won't spend hundreds of $$$ on gaming will have a better chance
 > of playing older games.

Now that would be nice. I have a few machines on my LAN that have the CPU
power but not the graphics power to play some games. We get friends or
visitors come over, see one of us playing something and want to play
themselves. However we only have crap S3 Trio 2D/3D 8MB AGP cards in the
other machines. People want an arm and a leg even for second-hand GF2's
(Although the last two GF2MX400's I bought died, maybe they weren't a good
'keeper', I know of others who have had GF2's die on them, just out of
warranty).
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Stephen Gordon

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:44 pm
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~misfit~ wrote:

 >
 > Now that would be nice. I have a few machines on my LAN that have the CPU
 > power but not the graphics power to play some games. We get friends or
 > visitors come over, see one of us playing something and want to play
 > themselves. However we only have crap S3 Trio 2D/3D 8MB AGP cards in the
 > other machines. People want an arm and a leg even for second-hand GF2's
 > (Although the last two GF2MX400's I bought died, maybe they weren't a good
 > 'keeper', I know of others who have had GF2's die on them, just out of
 > warranty).
 > --
 > ~misfit~
 >
 >

I have already seen GF4 MX cards going for $20 australian, even tho it's
a shit card it will play most games up to and including doom3 (tho only
on 640x480 Wink).

-Steve
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Moderately Confuse1

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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:44 pm
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"Stephen Gordon" wrote in message

 > ~misfit~ wrote:
 >
  > >
  > > Now that would be nice. I have a few machines on my LAN that have the
CPU
  > > power but not the graphics power to play some games. We get friends or
  > > visitors come over, see one of us playing something and want to play
  > > themselves. However we only have crap S3 Trio 2D/3D 8MB AGP cards in the
  > > other machines. People want an arm and a leg even for second-hand GF2's
  > > (Although the last two GF2MX400's I bought died, maybe they weren't a
good
  > > 'keeper', I know of others who have had GF2's die on them, just out of
  > > warranty).
  > > --
  > > ~misfit~
  > >
  > >
 >
 > I have already seen GF4 MX cards going for $20 australian, even tho it's
 > a shit card it will play most games up to and including doom3 (tho only
 > on 640x480 Wink).
 >
 > -Steve

I've got a Nvidia GeForce4 MX 440, and while I'm not a heavy gamer, it will
hold up to Unreal Tournament 2004, all the bells and whistles turned on, at
800X600, and if you turn off some of the detail, it will play at 1024X768.
I've found out that if I can keep the card under 40º C, I *can* turn on all
detail and play at 1024X768 with no problem.

MC
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Plato

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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 7:44 pm
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Moderately Confused wrote:
 >
 > I've found out that if I can keep the card under 40º C, I *can* turn on all
 > detail and play at 1024X768 with no problem.

I dont know if pci fancards are still for sale but I used to use them
sometimes to cool hot running video cards. This was pretty much right
before they started putting fans on the video cards themselves. My guess
is that a case fan may do the same thing these days ie bring in cool air
for the video fans to use. Most of the trouble I see these days with
games and overheating is when folks buy these spanking new systems and
put them in their enclosed pc desk ie the kind that have just a hole in
the back and door on front. I bet you could toast a burger bun on top of
some of those setups Smile
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misfit3

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:44 am
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Stephen Gordon wrote:
 > ~misfit~ wrote:
 >
  >>
  >> Now that would be nice. I have a few machines on my LAN that have
  >> the CPU power but not the graphics power to play some games. We get
  >> friends or visitors come over, see one of us playing something and
  >> want to play themselves. However we only have crap S3 Trio 2D/3D 8MB
  >> AGP cards in the other machines. People want an arm and a leg even
  >> for second-hand GF2's (Although the last two GF2MX400's I bought
  >> died, maybe they weren't a good 'keeper', I know of others who have
  >> had GF2's die on them, just out of warranty).
  >> --
  >> ~misfit~
  >>
  >>
 >
 > I have already seen GF4 MX cards going for $20 australian, even tho
 > it's a shit card it will play most games up to and including doom3
 > (tho only on 640x480 Wink).

I'm in NZ, where would I find these $20 GF4 MX's? Any on-line places? A
couple of those would be great for the 'extra' machines. (Mainly used for
SETI or internet connection etc. It seems a shame to have a 1.6Ghz
(Tualatin) CPU just handling a modem and playing mp3s).

Cheers,
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Overlord

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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 4:47 am
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On 7 Aug 2004 13:15:17 -0500, Plato wrote:

 >Moderately Confused wrote:
  >>
  >> I've found out that if I can keep the card under 40º C, I *can* turn on all
  >> detail and play at 1024X768 with no problem.
 >
 >I dont know if pci fancards are still for sale but I used to use them
 >sometimes to cool hot running video cards. This was pretty much right
 >before they started putting fans on the video cards themselves. My guess
 >is that a case fan may do the same thing these days ie bring in cool air
 >for the video fans to use. Most of the trouble I see these days with
 >games and overheating is when folks buy these spanking new systems and
 >put them in their enclosed pc desk ie the kind that have just a hole in
 >the back and door on front. I bet you could toast a burger bun on top of
 >some of those setups Smile
 >
Before fans on vid cards I used to install a slot fan on the heatsink side of the
vid card. Given the right dimensions it would lay against the heatsink just right
and suck air thru the heatsink and out the back of the case. Fast, cheap, and
effective way to cool the card especially given the dead area where the GPU
sits.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:49 am
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 21:56:10 +0100, "Hamman" wrote:

 > I assume then Judd that you
  >> goto work, come home, eat, sleep then goto work? Because if you do
 >anything
  >> else you must not have a life.
 >
 >You missed spending hours on usenet out!
 >
 >hamman
 >
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:09 am
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~misfit~ wrote:
 >
 > I'm in NZ, where would I find these $20 GF4 MX's? Any on-line places? A
 > couple of those would be great for the 'extra' machines. (Mainly used for
 > SETI or internet connection etc. It seems a shame to have a 1.6Ghz
 > (Tualatin) CPU just handling a modem and playing mp3s).
 >
 > Cheers,
 > --
 > ~misfit~

This was on offer second hand, the retail prices I can find are ~$60
australian. If you have a look in a local 'trading post' publication tho
I daresay you will find a GF4 MX for a similar price though, there are a
lot of them around and people are upgrading to the new product lines.

-Steve
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 12:45 pm
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Stephen Gordon wrote:
 > ~misfit~ wrote:
  >>
  >> I'm in NZ, where would I find these $20 GF4 MX's? Any on-line
  >> places? A couple of those would be great for the 'extra' machines.
  >> (Mainly used for SETI or internet connection etc. It seems a shame
  >> to have a 1.6Ghz (Tualatin) CPU just handling a modem and playing
  >> mp3s).
  >>
  >> Cheers,
  >> --
  >> ~misfit~
 >
 > This was on offer second hand, the retail prices I can find are ~$60
 > australian. If you have a look in a local 'trading post' publication
 > tho I daresay you will find a GF4 MX for a similar price though,
 > there are a lot of them around and people are upgrading to the new
 > product lines.

Okay, thanks. I have a nephew in Melbourne, Kyzen, who runs LAN parties,
(LAN X: <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.lanx.org.au/" target="_blank">http://www.lanx.org.au/</a>) and he's always telling me how cheap
second-hand or older gear is in Aussie. I must fire off an email to him and
see if he has the time to look around for me.

Cheers,
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 6:55 pm
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Playing on a XP2800 Barton, 1 GB ram, GF5900 128MB and much less revelant a
2-75GB Raptor raid 0 array, I get 45 FPS in timedemo 1.


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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:34 pm
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Overlord wrote:

 >
  >> Moderately Confused wrote:
   >>>
   >>> I've found out that if I can keep the card under 40º C, I *can*
   >>> turn on all detail and play at 1024X768 with no problem.
  >>
  >> I dont know if pci fancards are still for sale but I used to use them
  >> sometimes to cool hot running video cards. This was pretty much right
  >> before they started putting fans on the video cards themselves. My
  >> guess is that a case fan may do the same thing these days ie bring
  >> in cool air for the video fans to use. Most of the trouble I see
  >> these days with games and overheating is when folks buy these
  >> spanking new systems and put them in their enclosed pc desk ie the
  >> kind that have just a hole in the back and door on front. I bet you
  >> could toast a burger bun on top of some of those setups Smile
  >>
 > Before fans on vid cards I used to install a slot fan on the heatsink
 > side of the vid card. Given the right dimensions it would lay
 > against the heatsink just right and suck air thru the heatsink and
 > out the back of the case. Fast, cheap, and effective way to cool the
 > card especially given the dead area where the GPU
 > sits.

<G>. I've done that too. I've even used one against the back of a card
(there was a slot in the case above the AGP slot) as the back of the
card/under the GPU was getting damn hot, even though it had a good HSF on
the other side.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2004 7:34 pm
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"~misfit~" wrote in message

 > Overlord wrote:

  > >
   > >> Moderately Confused wrote:
   > >>>
   > >>> I've found out that if I can keep the card under 40º C, I *can*
   > >>> turn on all detail and play at 1024X768 with no problem.
   > >>
   > >> I dont know if pci fancards are still for sale but I used to use them
   > >> sometimes to cool hot running video cards. This was pretty much right
   > >> before they started putting fans on the video cards themselves. My
   > >> guess is that a case fan may do the same thing these days ie bring
   > >> in cool air for the video fans to use. Most of the trouble I see
   > >> these days with games and overheating is when folks buy these
   > >> spanking new systems and put them in their enclosed pc desk ie the
   > >> kind that have just a hole in the back and door on front. I bet you
   > >> could toast a burger bun on top of some of those setups Smile
   > >>
  > > Before fans on vid cards I used to install a slot fan on the heatsink
  > > side of the vid card. Given the right dimensions it would lay
  > > against the heatsink just right and suck air thru the heatsink and
  > > out the back of the case. Fast, cheap, and effective way to cool the
  > > card especially given the dead area where the GPU
  > > sits.
 >
 > <G>. I've done that too. I've even used one against the back of a card
 > (there was a slot in the case above the AGP slot) as the back of the
 > card/under the GPU was getting damn hot, even though it had a good HSF on
 > the other side.
 > --
 > ~misfit~

Yup, I've got one of those PCI slot blowers stuck right up next to the card.
When I didn't have it, I would get some skipping/freezing when playing
videos.

MC
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:03 am
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Duke 3D is about 3 years newer than Doom 1 and 2 years newer than Doom 2.

(I've Duke3D Demo dated 24/04/96 and downloaded some shareware Doom1 dated
15/12/93)

btw, was not the original poster just a SPAMMER???

Zdenek Sojka

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  > > No, Actually, I think it was Duke Nukem 3D before Doom wasn't it?
 >
 > No. Duke3D came out around the same time as Doom2.
 >
 >
 > --
 > Conor
 >
 > life, n.: A whim of several billion cells to be you for a while
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 1:15 am
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Actually, the game sucks ass so far. All the new "revolutionary graphics"
are a little hard to see in the dark...

Why am I playing a video game that I can't even see at the brightest
settings and why did I pay 55.00 dollars for this steaming pile?

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